TRANSCRIPTION
The
interview starting
The interview with Profesor Dr. Azmi
Group
: Assalamualaikum, Sir Azmi. [saying the salam
together]
Prof. Azmi
: Waalaikumussalam.
Anuar
: Sir, we are here would like to interview
you for a while about yourself. If you don’t mind. [teeth smiling]
Prof. Azmi
: ooo..[sound of understand]Okay. It is okay.
Everybody have seat boys.
Rizam
: Can we start now, sir?
Prof. Azmi
: Yup, you all can start now.
Randy
: Thank you, sir. Okay, the first question is, can you tell us something about
yourself? What is your level of education and how about your study background?
Prof. Azmi
: I’m a lecturer for the course Teaching English in Second Language (TESL) in
Faculty of Language and currently attached to Faculty of Languages as an
associated Professor in teaching of English in second language.
Randy : Ohh[understang
signs]
Prof.Azmi
: So, arrr[pause for a second]..previously I was
the Director of the Center for Modern Language...ya[emphasis]..Center
for Modern Languages[repeating words]..,that was
untill 2009. Than before that, I was the Dean..ya[emphasis
again]...
Randy
: Ya[agree and show comfirmation]
Prof. Azmi
: ...[continue his word]..Of the Faculty of
Language..ar[pause for a second]..for four years
from 2002 untill 2006. So, my highest level of education would be Ph.D..Ph.D[repeating words to emphasis]..in field of..ar..ar[pause for a second]..English language..English Language[repeating words to emphasis]..ar..ar[pause a second]..specifically TESL..ha[stressed that word and emphasizes context]..TESL..Teaching
of English as a second language...ar..[pause while]..Anything?[asking back]
Randy
: Hurm[relief breathing]...So, sir what your
bitter sweet exprience before your become a successfull person like today.?What
you...
Prof
: Ahh[signs of understanding the question]
Randy
: Can you sharing with us?
Prof
:
Oh[agree], my exprience hah[emphasis and asking for confirmation]
Randy
: Ya[signs of confirm]
Prof
: ha..[arethought and understanding signs]..before
I entered..[stuck asecond]..before I become
lecturer you know, I was sappointed as a lecturer in the university. I was
formly a lecturer..ar[pause]..at Institute
Perguruan Sultan Idris..
Randy
: oh..[signs of understanding]
Prof
: ah..[emphasis]..IPSI..So, I had been..been[repeated word] here since 1995.
Randy
: Oh[suprisingly]..Long time ago..
Prof
: Yes..[agree].How many years already?[asking back]..ha[emphasis and
relief breathing] ..quite sometime right?[answer
in the form of question]
All Interviewers
: Ohhh..hah..ya...[signs of agree and understanding]
Prof :
...and that time the university still not..hah[pause a
second]..you know..hah[arethought and thinking]
All Interviewers
: Not Upgrade yet...
Prof
: Ya..[agree]..not..still not..not[stuck]..not form yet..hah[relief
breathing]..so ar..I.. well several bitter sweet memories I guess, you
know, and before that I was teaching in school..
All Interviewers :
owh..[signs of understand]
Prof :
..secondary school hah.[emphasis]..for 7
years..ar[pause while].. in Bota Kanan, Perak..[stop for a while to thingking]..Bota Kanan, Perak[repeated word]..[pause a
second].. so, what ever good memories that I have ar..[pause a while for thinking].., basically involve ..ar[pause a second]..teaching..ar[pause
a second]..teaching and also furthuring my studies ar..[pause a
second].. in I went to Houston..ar[pause a second].. United States of America, to futher
my studies..or there so I have good memories there hah[amphasis]..
Anuar :
Hurm[relief breathing]..any scholarship when yo
go to....
Prof
: To further my studies?[asking back for comfirmation]
Anuar
: ya[signs of agree]
Prof
: ...ar.[pause a second].. oh.. when I further
my studies my..did my masters..ah.[pause a second] ..yes I..I[repeated word].. obtained a schorlarship. Government
scholarship. But for ar..[pause a second]
Saiful
: yes[sign of understand]
Prof
: ...for my Ph.D, I ar..[pause a second].. I was
send by the university
Saiful
: ohh..[signs of understand]
Saiful
:So, what is the benefits of your carrier that you think...
Rizam
: To our society..[interrupt]
Saiful :
...to our society..society..[repeated word to show
emphasis]..what is the benefits of your..ah.[stuck
a second]..carrier?.ah[relief breathing]
Prof :
ya..[sings of undertanding]..of course to
educated the younger generation..
All interviewers
: ya..ya..[signs of understanding and agree]
Prof
: Right..[answer in form of question]..ar..[pause a second].. of course educated younger
generations and to produced..ar[pause to think]..well
trained teachers like you see..ar..ar..to..to..[stuck
and pause a second to think]...contribute to..ar[pause
a while]..our..our[repeated]..children in school right..ar..ar.[stuck in order to think] ..so..hopefully I have done
my part right ..ar..[pause to think].. to[stucked]..to train future teachers such[stuck]..such as youself..hah[relief
breathing].. especially ar..[pause a second]..English language teachers..to be send to the
schools.
Randy
: So, what do you think about the..[stop a while]..UPSI
students who taking this EC subject, whether they, most of them reach the level
that..ar.[arethought]..been target by the
universities..hurm[relief breathing].. So, what
do you think about them?
Prof
: ar..[pause a while]..depends on the
individuals.hah[emphasis]..the..[stuck]..the course has ar..[signs
of thinking]..its own objective.
Anuar
: oh.[signs of understand]..
Prof
: Right..so..ar..in.[stuck and sign of thinking]..in
generals as a whole..ok it a good
course..hah.[stuck] and it cate to..to[repeated word] the need of..of[stuck] the students..and..hurm[sign of
thinking]..it were be able to..to[stuck]..raise
the..the language abality of the students...but.. ar[pause
a second]..but..the students them self pehaps to put more efforts..hah..[relief breath]..into the..into the..ar.[stuck to explain] rising their abilities in English
you see..right.. hah[signs of satisfied]..they
just cannot depends ar..ar..[pause a while] as
whole 100% to..to[stuck] the what they learn in
the...in the lecture room..in the teaching session..ar[pause
a second].. what they need to ar..[pause a
second].. pu more efforts on their own..So, what can they do? So, what
can the students do to improve yourself..ar..[pause to
think].. at your own time..outside their classroom.hah[emphasis].that..that[repeated]
more important..you see..so..ar[pause a second]..the
individual students must work hard to achieved the..the objective..
All Interviewers
: oh..ok[understanding signs]
Anuar
: Ok sir, if you see now days, most of our youth..ar.[pause
a second]..are getting involve in social problems such as a vandalisme,
a gangsterisme an so on. So, based on your exprience, what is the best way to
avoid them..ar[pause a second] to avoid their...
Randy
: Young moral problems[interrupted]
Anuar
: Young moral problems..to avoid..
Prof
: Well, there are several factors why the..the[repeated word], their are
involve in this socials problems.ya..maybe their..they came from..from..[stuck a while]..from family.. ah..[pause a while to think]..basically famiy, broken
family for example.
All Interviewers
: Yes[agree]
Prof
: But, ar[pause a second]..but if you..if you[repeated word] ask me what can we done right..ar[pause to think].. to help those people..I mean
the..the..youth you know..prevent them from being involve in these thing you
know. Ar.[pause a second].. un acceptable
activities hah..well first of all, get them to be involve in co-curricular
activities.
All Interviewers
: oh..ok[understand]
Prof :
You see..co-curricular activities ..get them to be intrested in playing games,
involve in sports you see. So, now days they don’t seems to be involve in all
this co-curricular activities.,
All Interviewers
: ya..yes..[signs of agree]
Prof
: ...even in schools..
Randy
: Ya..we can see that most of the teachers tell the students why you involve in
the sports.they force more in academic.
Prof
: Ah..the..the[repeated word] focus and emphasis
in schools especiallyright..for academic..we are..
Randy
: ya..ya.[agree]
Prof
: ..for academic..we are very exam oriented..
Randy
: ya..ya..[agree]
Prof
: ah.[pause].. we want achieve the most numbers
..numbers of A’s. Straight A’s for example...
All interviewers
: Aha...[signs of understand]
Prof
: You see..that..so we tend to neglet the others activities. So, the..the
students especially the ..the[repeated word]
boys..they dont have they..you know..arr[pause a second
to think]..a chanel where they can let out their energy..right. Or their
underpresure..
All interviewers
: ya..[understang signs]..
Prof
: They cannot let out their energy.So they dont know where to turn too, who to
turn too...right.
Randy
: Yes.[agree]
Prof
: So, that why we...in..in.[stuck a second].the
school like that,when they go back home maybe the parents are having problems.
Personals problems..Nowadays, father and mothers they are working , when they
go back no one at home. So, they feel neglected...hurm.[emphasis
and relief breathing]..most of all they need attention.
Randy
: Ya..[agreed signs]
Prof
: They need people to...ya they need attention..they want to be
noticed.Right..They want to be accepted..That’s why they want to mix with
arrr..[pause a second to think]
Randy
: Brothers...[interrup]
Prof
: Group arr[pause a second]..friends...influence
by this friends.It the friends is not so...ar[pause]..not so good, their
friends influence is very bad or provide a bad influence , inmoral things,
right[emphasis], then they will
followed..because they dont have role-model.
Randy
: ya..ya..ya..[agree signs]
Prof:
That the problems..right?[to get ensure]I think
you agreed with me right.[ask to ensure]
Randy:
Ya we can see it nowadays.Happen.
Rizam:
The youngster were not study.How to avoid them?
Prof:
Those whose are not interested to study? Or they dont study? [asking back to ensure]
Rizam
: Ya..based on your opinion just now , the cocuriculum can avoid them at
school..How about the...the people that did not study?
Prof
: They don’t...They are not studying?
Rizam
: Ya
Prof
: Find something that interested them.You see...find something that
interested.What, so what are the thing that they like to..to..to[stuck asecond] do...they like to study or they like
to read about..there a certain that they like to read right? Maybe they like to
read ar..ar.[pause a second].sports for
examples.Or they like to read about cars, automobils.You can related that to
the maybe sciences...ar[pause
a second] technical things.Maybe they like to go to vocasional schools.
Randy
: ya..[agree signs]
Prof
: Technical schools for the skills. Maybe they are interested in certain skill
they may want to study..
Randy
: ya
Prof
: maybe they not interested in the subject.That why they don’t study..But we
can tried to make them interested in the subject.In the course.Try to make them
realised why is it important for them to required the knowledge for that
course. Create awareness...awareness..[emphasis]
Randy
: What you can said about the PPSMI?
Prof
: My opinion is ar..I..I..[stuck a second] I
support PPSMI. I feel the..the[stuck a while]
policy is arr[pause a second] beneficial if
implemented effectively.
Randy
: ohh
Prof :
..you see the policy it is good. Where we want to expose our students to
knowdledge..to knowdledge ar.[pause a second].
information which now been return produce in English .
Randy
: yes
Prof
: Yes..so, we want expose our children..our children[emphasis]
ar..to..to[stuck a second] that so that they can
compete globaly, but the problems here is why people now seem to critisis PPSMI
is the implementation weakness in the implementation specially in school or
also in a among the educators also you see educators, the teachers, many..they
are..are not prepared to handle.. ar[pause a second]..
classes in English. Some are not in option. They are not train as a.. in a..a[repeated] English.they are not train to teach Math
and Science in English. The course that they..they go. Te short course is not
enough. You see. The problems here is not PPSMI. The objective is good. The purpose
is a, or now we can see the rational that, but the problem life is impletation,
there so many weakness in the implementation.
Randy :
To change the book
Prof
: Everything, material the teaching, the teachers...
Randy
: The students also got the problems to the..
Prof
: the students they are intrested. If you ask the students whether they like or
not learning the Mathemathic and Science in English. You ask the small kids.
The small children. They said they want.
Randy
: the implementation is bad..
Prof
: Hah, the implementation. There are many weaknesses in implementation. Not the
policy..
Randy
: I see many diffrent cases..
Prof
: Ya.. so that is my opinion..
Randy
: Ok Prof, like what we can see today. Our universities got a posting problems.
We also got a problems with KPM. Actually which side should be blame on this
problems and what level should be achieved by all UPSI students to make sure
they can be posting to school?
Prof
: No, actually we don’t blame anyone..don’t blame anyone[repeated and emphasis]. So the best thing now is work
together..work together[emphasis]. The
university work together with ministry
to find a solution..o find a solution[repeated word to
show the emphasis]..to the problem. So, work together for the benefit of
the students. You see. Like to think that this problems is only
temporarily..temporarily..maybe certain batches of the graduates they are not
posted arr.[pause a second].in a short time but
i’m sure after further discussion they will be posted later, maybe will take
longer. But at the end of the day, they will be posted. But also this got
certain field not all. You see such primary school so they have a little bit
problems there. Because of the distribution of the teachers. Some places there
are more teachers, some places there are lacks of teachers, less teachers. So,
they are try to solve the problems, i’m sure at the end many, most of the
students will get posting but some take longer, some will take short. But, so
in preparation let say, for the graduates ar.[pause
asecond]. how do you prepared yourself, you make sure that you have the
extra abilities, extra skills, arr[pause a second to think].. exra knowledge ar.[emphasis]. you see..you build on that. You have all
things to offer, maybe build on your communication skills, even your
communicate better. Not only ‘Bahasa Melayu’ also in English. If you can have
another language much better. Nowdays, there are learning the third language,
Mandarin, Arabic, Tamil yes maybe later, but in university now offering
Mandarin, German right..Spanish, France ,Japanese..you see..Advantage for a
graduate..you have more than one language arr.. you have two or three languages.
You are multi langual, you are the best, better. So, you prepared your self and
then, what else, besides communication skills maybe you know sports, ok..sports
sports..certain skills in sport, coaching maybe..ar[pause
a second]..what else a things that you are skill in..
Anuar
: leadership...[interrupted]
Prof
: leadership yes..social skill..social skill..you know mixwell with other
people and a your personality on your appreance and personality, build your
personality, so that when people look at you, they are impressed by you, your
personality, how you act, be confident, look confident, so this is how you
build youself to be able to compete wuth the other students.
Safuan
: Last word from sir..can you give some advice to all our youth to become a
successfull person in future..
Prof
: Well, arr..[pause a second] always strive for
excellent, always go for excellent and never give up, ok. Even if you faced a
many challengges alright, never give up. Thats a what I feel, always strive for
excellent in what ever that you do..you see..because in the current competetive
world, global ar..global world, they would hope for excellent because you have
goingcompete wuth other people. In the international arena, not enough if you
excel your on topin Malaysia, or worse
in your state only, or worse in your village only you ‘kampung’. You have go
outside. Outside of your state, or outside of your district your state or
outside of Malaysia. You go outside, go overseas, international strive for
excellent. To go there, to make yourself known internationally, so you need to
strive for excellence..ar[pause a second]..they
respect people who are excellent and you never give up. Always try your best.
That all is my advice to the youth.
Randy
: so not only in academic which..
Prof
: Anything that you do..anything that you do, business always said try the
best, be the best businessman. If sport, always try to be the best sporstman or
you know best coach..your..your players always became champions..ha..ha..ha..[everybody at the room laughing]
Randy
: Sir I think,arr.[pause a second to thinking].all
our question have been answer by sir, so I thing we arr.[pause a second].we ending our interview. So that we want to give
some souvenier..to sir..
The interview end
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